What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
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What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
I've been away from the steel world for a long time. I'm making guitars now, mostly Selmer style Django guitars. (I'm at https://www.instagram.com/paulmcevoyguitars/ if you're interested).
I bought two nice chunks of maple a long time ago to make some lap steels but never got around to it.
I was wondering lately about making a real swiss army knife steel guitar, something that could do a lot, but it's been a long time since I really knew how people were tuning things.
Anyway, just wondering:
If you could have as many or as few strings as you wanted, plus as many palm benders as you wanted, what tuning would you use to have the most versatile lap steel you could think of?
I bought two nice chunks of maple a long time ago to make some lap steels but never got around to it.
I was wondering lately about making a real swiss army knife steel guitar, something that could do a lot, but it's been a long time since I really knew how people were tuning things.
Anyway, just wondering:
If you could have as many or as few strings as you wanted, plus as many palm benders as you wanted, what tuning would you use to have the most versatile lap steel you could think of?
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
My Duesenberg Fairy Tail Split King is it for me. I have seen some with three palm levers, but in my opinion that's too much to manage, plus anything with more than six strings is too much to manage. I'm happy with it just like it is.
This is just my opinion, we are going to be all over the map on this
This is just my opinion, we are going to be all over the map on this

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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
Agreed.Earl Foote wrote: 19 Aug 2025 8:36 am This is just my opinion, we are going to be all over the map on this![]()
For me, a seven-string lap steel with a relatively wide string spacing and no benders whatsoever is the ultimate lap steel. And I can get by just fine with six strings. If I need an instrument that sounds like a pedal steel, I will play one of my pedal steels.
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
Ultimate non-pedal steel? Maybe an impossible dream, or a different dream for every player.
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
I think duesenberg already built it.
6 strings with either 2 or 3 palm benders.
Use either Martin Huch’s open E tuning or Luke Cyrus Goestze’s tuning.
6 strings with either 2 or 3 palm benders.
Use either Martin Huch’s open E tuning or Luke Cyrus Goestze’s tuning.
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1932 A22 Rickenbacher Frypan, 1937 7string Prewar Rickenbacher Bakelite (C Diatonic), 1937 7string Epiphone Electar (Jerry Byrd's E9), 1937 Epiphone Electar (C#m9), 1940's Post War Rickenbacher Bakelite (Feet's D), 1950 Supro (Open F), 1950's Rickenbacher ACE (C6), 1950's Rickenbacher A25 Frypan (A6), 1957 National New Yorker (Jerry's E13), 1955 Q8 Fender Stringmaster (A6, C6, Noel's E13, C Diatonic), 1961 Supro (Open A), 8string VanderDonck Frypan (Buddy Emmons's C6).
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
A Frypan and my left hand ring finger 
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
I have a Jackson Slide-King eight string guitar with two wrist levers that is tuned G#, E, B bend to C#, G# bend to A, F#, E, D, C#. I like it but there is a reason God gave us feet. Here is an idea for a guitar that uses Scruggs tuners to move between the various tunings that a C6 pedal neck has.
C6 F9(13) D9 A7 A11
D
E +F
C +D
A +B
G -F#
E -Eb
C -C# -C#
A
F -F#
C D
C6 F9(13) D9 A7 A11
D
E +F
C +D
A +B
G -F#
E -Eb
C -C# -C#
A
F -F#
C D
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
Duesenberg! Hands down!Paul McEvoy wrote: 19 Aug 2025 8:31 am I've been away from the steel world for a long time. I'm making guitars now, mostly Selmer style Django guitars. (I'm at https://www.instagram.com/paulmcevoyguitars/ if you're interested).
I bought two nice chunks of maple a long time ago to make some lap steels but never got around to it.
I was wondering lately about making a real swiss army knife steel guitar, something that could do a lot, but it's been a long time since I really knew how people were tuning things.
Anyway, just wondering:
If you could have as many or as few strings as you wanted, plus as many palm benders as you wanted, what tuning would you use to have the most versatile lap steel you could think of?
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
Sorry I never followed up, but can't do better then a Dusenberg? More strings?
Just wondering.
Just wondering.
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
Paul, unless you're building a custom "dream guitar" for one individual player, I think you'd be wise to build a great-sounding good-looking steel with 6 or 8 strings. Maybe multiple pickups, trick electronics, and even leg sockets. And then allow adequate space in/around the bridge for an aftermarket installation of a Duesenberg and/or Certano bender to suit the end user.
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Re: What would be your ultimate non-pedal steel with Benders?
I too prefer to get my extended chords via a seventh string, usually reentrant.Jack Hanson wrote: 19 Aug 2025 9:14 am …
For me, a seven-string lap steel with a relatively wide string spacing and no benders whatsoever is the ultimate lap steel. And I can get by just fine with six strings. If I need an instrument that sounds like a pedal steel, I will play one of my pedal steels.
I suppose if I really wanted something “ultimate” with benders, it would be built by Todd Clinesmith, and the benders would shift me from major to minor and/or between the 1 and 4 chords. The tuning would be based around an open D or open G.